I would really appreciate anyone willing to share their experiences with me about how they dealt with sleeping issues when their child first came home.
I slept with Sophia the whole time we were in China. Our hotel rooms came with two twin or single beds. My husband is 6'3" and over 200 pounds and we were not fitting into those beds together, so I slept with Sophia and Tim slept with Eli.
The first night we were home we tried to put Sophia on the bottom bunk with Eli on the top. Let's just say that the tantrum she threw shook the house. We don't have a child who cries quietly, we have the temper tantrum queen. So, she started sleeping in our bed but wouldn't go to sleep there without us.
Eli was in a fit because his sister got to sleep with us and he didn't, so we tried to keep things fair for him. We ended up with both kids having to fall asleep in kido sleeping bags in the quieter part of the living room, then transporting them upstairs to bed when we are ready to go to bed.
Well, this has the whole house at a standstill while they fall asleep in the living room and they have been staying up way too late.
So, for the past 2 nights we moved the sleeping bags up to their bedroom together. Well, Sophia throws a fit and will not fall asleep with Eli in their room, only the living room. And let me tell you...fit is an understatement. She is definitely my daughter. We say she is 'Chirish' (Chinese and Irish) because she sure has an Irish woman's temper. I don't get it. She loves to play in her bedroom, she shows no fear of it and goes up there freely to play dress up and with her kitchen. But when bedtime comes around, the room freaks her out. I keep it lit up with two nightlights and Eli is with her just like downstairs, but it doesn't matter.
Now, I've had people tell me to put a toddler bed in our room which I can do, but what do I do with her until I am ready to sleep? She won't fall asleep without me and I can't go to bed at 8pm every night. I have people tell me to let her cry it out....she doesn't cry it out, she becomes wild crazy hysterical, screaming like a banchee and stamping feet. I can't keep letting her fall asleep in the living room. We have two teenage sons who have to freeze for hours every night until she falls asleep and she fights it until 11pm sometimes. They need to be able to enjoy their evenings and when school starts they will need to do their homework and be with us. If I hold her until she falls asleep, she has an internal alarm that sounds off the second I put her down.
Her attachment to us seems to be going really well. We have wonderful days together filled with hugs and kisses and smiles. I am her center point and she comes to me for love and support throughout the day when she needs it, but she is not clingy. She is quite independent. Our extended family is the most loving group of people and love her to pieces. I couldn't ask for a better transition to our family during the daytime. But at night I have a completely different child.
I go back to work August 6th, so I would like to have something workable in place so we all have enough sleep at night to stay awake during the day. Eli is becoming as unregulated as she is because we've been trying to keep them together (they are 9 months apart and notice any discrepancy in treatment and rules). So...I now have two preschoolers who are up off and on all night and Tim and I are becoming zombies.
Please help!
Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Isn't She Beautiful When She's Sleeping??....The Key Word is 'When'. We Are Having Sleep Issues. I would appreciate anyone's advice and experiences.
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Wow! This is a tough one. I can relate (a little). My eldest didn't sleep through the night until he was nearly 15 months. He never slept unless I was holding him, and when I put him down, he'd immediately wake up. It was exhausting. It's amazing I had more kids! Then number three came along, and he threw fits that shook the house!
My take on this is simply that if Sophia is having these issues it isn't because she's manipulating you, but because she needs something. So, of course, I wouldn't let her cry/scream it out (yet...though that time may have to come once Sophia's English is more developed).
How long does it take for her to fall asleep? Will she lay down in her room if you are with her? Can you sit beside her bed until she falls asleep and then leave the room?
What if you sit and read a book outside the room? Will she respond to that?
Kimberley,
You have described our situation to a tee! Its been SLOW but we are making progress. I'm going to email you. Too long for a post! :)
Hang in there!
Love,
Robin
Emily has been home for 1 1/2 years......she is still sleeping in my bed..she will be 4 in August....is that not terrible? I have the same problems you are having.....I have a toddler bed in my room with us, but she will not sleep in it. I can't stand to let her scream.....can't do that, just can't.........BUT, my hubby works shifts, so often we are without daddy, so it works. I here you on the 8pm....I often lay down with her and let her fall asleep. I'm not one to give advice, I'm terrible....hubby said he is going to move her to her room, but I just can't stand to let this child cry, and I hear you on the screaming!!! It's not normal, it's called night terrors, and I need to read up on what to do too!!!
Kimberely - I'm going to email you with my phone number at work (in case you can chat today). As you know, we struggled with night terrors (still do) with Miss Josie. The majority of my blog posts last year when we first came home were about Miss Josie and our LACK OF SLEEPING. I hate to admit how long I had to cosleep with her (10+ months). Let's chat. We need to see each other too. Hugs!! Check your email too.
My daughter needs me to be there for her to fall asleep. First it was in our bed, then I had to lay by her in her bed until she was asleep. And in her sleep she would unconsciously know I snuck out sometimes! Now I let her lay by me on the couch when I read and she will be asleep in a few minutes and I carry her to bed. She just NEEDS me to be there. I cannot deny her this comfort. I know I might get bashed for not being firmer but I love her, and love her by me too. It works for us. I pray little Sophia can find comfort and security in you and her sleep issues will resolve soon. We have been at it four years! Blessings.
Maybe give her and Eli a sticker chart. They get points for doing good things like brushing teeth, helping with dishes, picking up toys and sleeping in their room. Reward Eli a sticker for being good. If she sees him getting an award maybe she will want it too? We finally ended up having Sarah cry a little while we waited out side her room. We checked her every few minutes, and told her we were there. It took us almost a year to get her to sleep in her room. Just know allot of kids do have this problem. sarah does stuff for stickers so maybe that would work for you too? At least Eli will get awarded for his good behavior!
Wow...I could have written this exact same post! My daughter (22 months) is doing almost the EXACT same thing...and it's beginning to drive my CRAZY!!! Love her to pieces, but man, oh man!
Unfortunately I have no advice, but will be checking back to see if someone can offer you any (that maybe I can try too).
Hang in there!
Kimberley when Astrud was little and we took her out of her babybed and put her in a toddler bed I had to lay on the floor and hold her hand or pat her on the back until she fell asleep. Now she also had that internal alarm that when I wold try to leave I swear she could hear me move on the carpet, but I just had to learn alot of patience and eventually it got better. I hope I helped a little and if I didnt Im sorry.
I will keep Zach in my prayers, he is such a good kid.
Also could you keep Astrud in your prayers she leaves tuesday for her first out of country mission. She is going to the underdeveloped parts of the Bahamas to do a street ministry. I am really trying to Let Go...Let God!!! But this momma is really nervous and scared, I have never been completely out of control of her well being and I am a work in progress.
And yes your angel is absolutely gorgeous when she is sleeping, so so pretty.
Love and blessings, Kristy
Well...here I go with my opinion and take it for that. First of all, I wouldn't let her cry it out. Kimberley she hasn't been home that long yet and can't express herself as far as her fears because she still speaks Chinese as her first language. I know she is 9 months younger than Eli, but developmentally she is younger. When a child is placed for adoption they go back 4-6 months in development, so really her developmental age is younger than you might think. She is attaching to you Kim and you are her anchor right now...the only thing she knows. Even though she can't express it, she's grieving and that can come through as sleep issues.(all of this is from our attachment therapist).
Grace had sleep issues too, they lasted about a year, I've heard of them lasting longer. You are going to get all kinds of suggestions, but if was me I'd continue to lay down with her until she falls asleep, I know this is hard. Gradually over time you can wean her off this. You are all in my prayers and I don't know if I was any help...
We brought our daughter home from China at age 17 months and she was one ANGRY baby! We could not sleep with her in the same bed, she thrashed around all night. I put her in the room with her 2 1/2 year old brother. At night after quieting things down and then reading to them while snuggled together in the bottom bunk, I would put her in the bed and sit beside her in a chair and pat her until she fell asleep. If she sat up or cried I would just lie her down again and keep gently patting. Then I would SNEAK out. It took about an hour each night. She would then wake up in the middle of the night screaming. At first I would rush in and walk her around, but she then wouldn't let me put her back down - or even let me sit. After a few nights of my arms falling off, I put her pack-n-play in the guest room and when she woke in the night, I would carry her in there and put her down and do the patting routine again. She would usually just scream and I would leave the room after a few minutes. She would cry for about a half hour and then fall asleep. We did this for about two months? I have to say, our social worker didn't like this method when I told her about it, but we HAD TO SLEEP!
You are not alone!!!!! Sleep issues seem to be quite common among these precious little ones who have been through so much in their short lives.
Hannah was home for over 2 years before we really started overcoming the issues.
First I should email because it is so long... but I will write what I can to share with others.
It is no wonder bed time is so scary for them. Even as an adult who hasn't been completely traumatized as a baby often when I lay down to sleep my mind becomes flooded with worries, fears, thoughts, etc. I am sure it is the same for them! They do not have the security of knowing that you will be there when they wake up. Often they have never slept in a room that is not full of other children. I truly can't imagine how devastating bed time must be for so many of our babies.
As to the tantrums...... I must share with you that Hannah would RAGE! The couple of times I let her cry it out after she had been home for a few months.... I thought she was mad and throwing a fit.... she was screaming truly like a caged animal. I was worried she would tear her vocal chords. It was horrible but I thought she was just angry and throwing a tantrum... then I went in and turned on the light.... she was NOT throwing a tantrum. She was hysterical, panicked and in shock. Her little eyes were all glassy and dazed.... just staring off into space. It was horrible. I had completely miss read my daughter. I understand about sleep deprivation because I lived with it for over two years almost to the breaking point... thank You Jesus that by that time there had been enough healing in my little one that when I finally couldn't take it anymore she was ready to go it alone.... but before that... I would have to go into her room several times a night when she would wake up to get her back to sleep. Then it got to where she couldn't fall asleep unless I sat on her floor and held her hand as she fell asleep in her crib. Still waking up several times a night. Finally I couldn't take it any more and I needed sleep. So I started sleeping with her on the futon in her room. It was what she needed at the time. It ticked off her Daddy. lol But I had to get some sleep. I admit when I would roll over and turn my back to her ( I would think she was asleep) and she would freak out on me! Become panicked begging me to turn around. I thought this was just too much! It breaks my heart because since then I have discovered that this too seems to happen with some of our children. She couldn't help it.... Our babies have been through so much and although they are resilient the human psyche can be so fragile.... the things that seem so tiny to us can trigger emotions in them of fear, panic, fighting for their lives, shock, trauma, the list goes on and on.... for me I would say pray about it.... watch and see if it her fit isn't more out of desperation and fear. And do what you have to do to help her heal.
Call me if you need to talk.
It can feel overwhelming at times..... Some nights I would tell Hannah that I didn't know why she wanted Mommy in her room because I wasn't very nice to have around. I was one grumpy woman at times dealing with this.... but I thank God that He helped me through it to be able to give my child what she needed to heal and find peace.
Will pray for you all....
Oh, this is such a tough time in your life...so frustrating right now. It won't be forever, though. Things WILL get better in the sleep department.
FWIW, I wouldn't let her "cry it out" that just doesn't work for adopted kids. She NEEDS you and she's not trying to manipulate you. Do you have another area in your house where you can transition her to sleep without affecting the older boys ability to do their thing in the evenings? If so, that might work.
How about Eli? He's the big brother, maybe you could have a mom to big boy talk with him and explain that you need his help in getting Sophia to sleep, since she's the younger sister. He needs to be helpful and go to bed in the bedroom like he always has, while you help Sophia in a different room. I know when I treat Katie like the big girl and ask for her to help me help Ella she's much more likely to work with me (not always, though!).
Could you put Eli to sleep in one of the older boys' rooms and then move him? That's what we do with Katie -- she naps in T's room.
I don't have good answers, I know. But I do care.
When we returned home with our 22 month old dd, we made a "nest" in our bedroom right next to our bed. She and her sister (10yrs at the time) would go to bed in the "nest" and I would read quietly in my bed. Usually the Bible as I needed strength. Once the girls were asleep I would leave the room and leave the light on. We also used Melatonin 1 mg to help everyone's clock return to normal. Good luck...we will be thinking of you and your precious family.
Kimberley we ended up moving Arianna's bed into our room. When it is bedtime I go in there with either a book or the computer and stay in there until I know she is truly asleep. If I leave to early we are in for a battle that will last for hours on end.
She still wakes during the night, but many times I am able to just say "shhh" or "mommy is right here" and she goes back to sleep. I am only having to get out of bed about 2 times a night, and that is just to recover her and to reassure her that I am really there.
I know you have other issues with Eli, and I agree with Kelly. Make him the "big brother". I would suggest you do his bedtime routine first - all you did before Sophia came home. Either have Sophia with you, or just make it Eli's time. That is up to you. Then start a routine with Sophia.
{{{HUGS}}} my friend!
OH, we leave a lamp on until she is asleep to. The dark when she is going to sleep petrifies her. However, she is fine when it is dark through the night.
I forgot.....gentle reminder
Eli shouldn't have the same rules as Sophia....she is at an age of 0 mentally, she has to build the trust from ground zero. Is there anyway you can help Eli understand she is like a brand new baby?
We have the problem (about the rules) with our 4.5 and 2.5 (the 2.5 yr old just came home in April) I have to remind her that he is a baby inside and his brain is like a baby and we have to be different in how we teach him things.
Kimberley, this is one TOUGH issue!! We have had & STILL have our issues with sleeping...I will email you privately as it's too long for a comment! ;)
Hang in there! Just remember, you have to do what is right for YOUR situation! I had sooooo many people (parents of bio children) telling me to let Kiara "cry it out", but personally, I couldn't do it...knowing that she was left alone as an infant, I just couldn't do it! Anyway...I will email you tonight!
HUGS...
Patricia/nyc
Wow bet you guy's are feeling like crap, I guess your are good at keeping the bed time routines the same.
Relaxing bath, a massage perhaps with lavander lotion.
A snuggle and a story.
Turn the light off a further snuggle and a stroking on her head then leave the room.
Close the door, hope for the best and maybe if you can tough it out put up with the screaming for a few nights. It won't last forever.
I haven't read all the other posts but just wanted to say we had the same issues with EK and she slept with me and on me for about 6 months and then just with us for another year. That was fine for our family because we didn't have another little one. That is probably a huge issue. I would say try to have Eli go to bed like he has always done and get Sophia down near you. I never let EK cry it out. I thought she needed to know I was there to comfort her and give her security. She is quite a good sleeper now but it took time and lots of patience!!! I hope things get better.
Blessings!
Shay
Hi Sweetie,
I am so sorry it has been so long since I came by to check up on little Sophia Jane. That is such an adorable picture of her sleeping. Glad to hear that things are going well for you all except for the sleep issues. Hope it all works itself out soon.
Hugs,
Jonni
Sounds like MANY of us are in the same boat. Chicka came to us at 27 months in March of '08. It has only been within the last couple of weeks that she will go to sleep in her bed without me in the room. It was only a couple of months ago that she would sleep in her bed AT ALL. 100% of the nights, she wakes anywhere from 12:30 to 3:30 and the only thing that works is to bring her to bed with us. The first solid year, I went to bed when she did. If I even THOUGHT about getting out of the bed after she fell asleep, she would grip me like a wrestler. In fact, the only way she would sleep for the first few months was on top of me! It will get better - my philosophy through 5 children, has been do whatever it takes for everyone to get the most sleep. Please don't let her cry it out!
I appreciated this post - and my daughter has been home for 4 years!
When we first came home she was 10 months and in her crib in a different room, but with no door between us, other than hour long night terrors - when I would pull her out of the crib so she wouldn't hurt herself, she slept alone.
Then we moved 6 months after coming home and she slept in her crib, in her own room just fine (with few night terrors)
When she turned 3 I took her out of her crib because she started to climb - this is when our problems really began - she could NOT settle herself down to go to sleep in her bed, I could read to her, and she'd fall asleep but the minute I got up, she woke up. So we started co-sleeping. She was still having night terrors, but few.
This spring I decided she would sleep in her own bed - she made it 3 weeks, but I got NO SLEEP because her night terrors escalated. I didn't put 2 and 2 together, but my brother did - so back to my bed she came. She still gets night terror, but usually when something upsets her during the day, or she is overtired. She's almost 5 and I'm ready for her to be in her own bed, but she's not.
This is one of the greatest challenges I've faced, as I want to be there for her, but need her to feel secure enough to sleep in her own bed. I'm beginning to wonder if counseling might be in order.
I guess you are looking for help, and what I'm trying to say is:
DO NOT LET HER CRY IT OUT - that will only make it worse.
However; you need to know what you're comfortable with, if you don't want her in your bed, set that at the beginning. You may need to let her fall asleep in the living room for some time - and have a different rule for your son. She needs that closeness right now. I think the earlier you can build that trust the less likely you will end up in a situation like me!
I haven't been there so sorry.. can't help. .but looks like TONS of helpers..
Sophia is BEAUTIFUL when sleeping and awake..
Love ya girly..
Hope things get better soon before going back to work.. this is my biggest fear...
I'm going to email you a couple of articles and we have been doing this with Eliana for a couple of weeks and she is finally going to sleep within 20 min. and isn't freaked out if she wakes up alone.
Ava has been home just over two years and we still have major sleep issues. Takes her up to 2.5hrs to fall asleep. She gets so "wired" with anxiety that her body/mind can't settle or relax enough to fall asleep. We have been cosleeping since 7 months home and it has helped a great deal. She is nowhere near ready to sleep on her own though. I agree with the ones who said DO NOT LET HER CRY IT OUT. They are truly panicked, it is not manipulation...their brains basically go into a "fight or flight" mode, and they cannot control it. The neglect and lack of nurturing and sensory stimulation our kids go through in orphanages during the first year of their life actually causes changes in their brains...some to the point where they often live in this "fight or flight" mode most of the time.
Check out www.attachchinayahoogroup.com
They were/are a wealth of support and info for me.
I don't have much to offer in terms of advice, but I do want you to know that I am thinking of you and praying for you, and I'm so glad the daytime is happy! I know that things will continue to improve with bedtime--you've gotten some good advice and support. In the end, you'll find what works for all of you. I'm confident! :)
Oh Kim...I feel so bad for you. We had some very tough times with sleep when Kate came home. We finally figured it out. I would be happy to share with you what we did (e-mail me if you what it all) and while I understand you not wanting to exclude Eli, you really need to make Sophia's attachment and well being your 1st priority. The way I explained it to my boys was..."you had your turn to have this kind of special attention when you were a baby and now it is Kate's turn."
As hard as this time is...it WILL get better. Iw as so exhausted for so long but now Kate is a GREAT sleeper by herself in her big girl bed:)
Hugs,
Kim
Kimberley, this is SUCH a tough issue. And way more common then most realize. We participated in Dr. Tony Tan's study a few years ago (U of South Florida, studies about Chinese adoptees)... one of the focuses of this particular study was sleep issues. Over 50% of the study participants said they dealt with sleep issues. Here's a summary of the study:
http://tiny.cc/S8DIm
I'll e-mail you with some private info. But something I can share publicly is a bit of advice my best friend gave me. She adopted twins from China when they were 17 months old. She said, "you can't worry about being fair. Give each child what they need, no matter how inequitable it seems. Because - in the long run - giving each child what they need IS what's fair."
Sara and Mya have had an exceptional transition. Mya came from a foster home and they started treating her the same as the boys from day 1. But Mya is 3 and she had a loving foster mother and apparently, their social workers encourage them to give their foster children everything and don't tell them no. Mya hasn't had night terrors but does need someone to read to her and lay with her until she falls asleep at night---unless she is exhausted. For naps, she is fine to go in by herself and lay down. Once she figures out that she wasn't able to do anything she wanted, she settled right in. I think my kids have been very blessed.
I know I could never stand to hear one of my kids cry and always made room for them in my bed. Even the grandkids sleep with me. She does need the comfort of a mother's love. She has been through more than you will ever know. Chances are she will never remember why it is so scary and difficult. Every adjustment is different and even the pros can't be sure what to advise. You can read various opinions and methods but only you will be living this experience and know what works for you and Sophie. Just know that it will all work out for the best and that this is what you prayed for. The love and patience you share now will cement a relationship that will live beyond time. I agree with the gal who suggested rubbing her back. I used to just run my fingertips up and down over arms or legs or back---just so they'd know I was still there. Sara is 32 and still loves for me to 'tickle' her back. Mallory is 14 and asks for the same thing. I hope Mya does, too. Anyway, they can be connected to a loving human being--no, to their loving human being. You will settle into a routine. It will happen. Please know that I continue to pray for you, Tim, Eli, Sophia and the older kids.
both of our kids had night terrors for a long time after coming home from china -- think of how much sophia has to process right now. everything - EVERYTHING has changed.
Do you think she could sleep in your bed for a little while longer?
Sorry, I have no words of wisdom for you... I do know that she will eventually get it, and "this too shall pass". Praying for rest for you and your babies.
She is beautiful!!! Oh and the answer to your comment is YES!! I will definitely adopt when I am older no question!! :)
I don't have time to read through all of the responses, but I can SO RELATE. I can tell you that I had a bio. child who did not sleep through the night until he was 5! So God prepared me and honestly, S's. sleep has not been as bad as my son's who was not neglected or institutionalized.
But all of that aside, you do have to consider her differently. Look for triggers. Have you tried something as simple as allowing her a *treat* like ice cream right before bed? I know, but this really helps our S sleep and calms her too. She knows now that it is part of the routine. Besides, she needs the healthy calories!
As far as going to bed at 8, I can totally relate. We have our DD in her own room but she has a queen-sized bed. That has helped b/c I can lay down beside her for a bit until she drifts off. She still has a hard time settling into my embrace for rocking but she does every night. She never falls asleep while rocking (or rarely does she).
We also play a Baby Einstein CD that our DD loves. It really seems to help off-set the rhythm still going on in the rest of the house. We tried co-sleeping at first too and DD was all over us, not sleeping well, etc. Now if she awakens in the night, we bring her to our bed and she snuggles right up to us and wants to hold our hands. But at bedtime, we put her in her own bed and it works.
It was hard the first few months though. I would try to find a more permanent solution than the sleeping bag. Does she still nap? I have found w/ all three of mine that they fight sleep harder at night the MORE TIRED they are. When S naps, bedtime is always easier. Makes no sense I know, but it is just what I'v found to be true.
Our DD was 19 days shy of 3 years old when we brought her home and turned 3 4 days after she came home for good (15-day hospital stay the day after we came home :).
Feel free to email me if you want. cljjs (at) yahoo (dot) com
Leslie
Just wanted to tell you that this too shall pass, and, even searching for what others have attempted will truly not be the answer, that will just exhaust you attempting to make your sweet girl fit into some sleep pattern of another child/family. She is yours, your daughter. AND...yes, sometimes, you might just have to go to bed at 8:00. It might be easier to attempt adjusting your pattern and loving on hers....might be surprised just how amazing those sweet night time hours with just your sweet little ones can be.
Not preaching here...but, just reminding you how long she waited to be loved, to feel your warmth and be loved! Nights are the hardest, and, eventually, you will be attempting to tell another family what works, but, really, there is no set answer, just love and be loved.
It looks like you got lots of great advice!! As you know, I recently posted about sleep issues we are having with Sarah. We have made a lot of progress.....but it took us awhile. Just wanted to tell you to hang in there......it will eventually get better, you just have to figure out what works for you all and what makes her feel secure. Good luck and keep us posted......I can empathize with you on feeling like a zombie. It is hard to function on little to no sleep!
Lisa
She is gorgeous awake, sleeping, running, playing......you name it!
I am sorry you are going through this. We also have sleep issues with our daughter and spend I put her in her crib at least 2 times every night.
We work full time too and I know the zombie feeling
All I can say is....she'll never be this little again. As mothers we give up a lot and to me, the sleep I give up is more than made up when I get to feel her soft skin at my cheek and smell her silky hair all night....and when she gently rubs my arm and snuggles in closer....well, I remind myself that I have received such an incredible gift in being able to call her my daughter.
Hugs to you, friend!
We have been home from China 1 week and sleeping has been our only issue! She has extreme tantrums like you have described here! I will read through the comments you have recieved and see if any work for us. Glad to hear the bed next to your bed is working so far.
I will say,each night does seem to be getting a little better however. As I type Dan is singing to her in the rocker and she is not fighting as much tonight. Thanks for sharing your experiences, it helps to know I'm not alone in this.
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